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Transcript
And then I just cried, you know?
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:I was, like, handling, like, 12
rejections a day for, like, a month,
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:and then I changed it and it got better.
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:So I think self-taught is a fallacy.
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:The role that I applied for was
nothing to do with this job title.
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:Okay.
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:'Cause you only need one
impression to get the job.
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:You need to say yes to jobs
that you're not gonna love them.
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:You were able to transform your
career from kind of this call
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:center HR career into this data
and AI career in about a year.
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:I wasn't expecting that at all.
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:Hey, guys.
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:It's Avery, and that guy you just heard
from is one of my students, George Lopez.
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:And a year ago, he was literally
answering phones in a call center,
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:getting rejected from data jobs,
like, over a dozen times a day.
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:Ready to quit, absolutely miserable.
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:And today he works for an AI and
data team for a US company living
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:in Mexico, and the job he landed
wasn't even one that he applied for.
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:In this episode, he breaks down
exactly what he changed on his resume
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:to start getting interviews, why
he thinks self-taught data analysts
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:is a fallacy, and how he turned
utter rejection into an offer.
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:If you're trying to get into
data, this is a great episode to
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:listen to to get the playbook.
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:Let's go ahead and get into it.
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:All right, George.
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:So you were able to transform your
career from kind of this call center
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:HR career into this data and AI
career in about a year through the
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:data analytics accelerator program
without having, like, a real a- IT
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:degree or previous IT experience.
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:Walk me through your whole
journey in this episode.
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:Let me know, like, how you got from, from
A to B and how other people can do it.
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:Let's start with, like, you
know, your first job li- like
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:you were actually working at.
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:You were working in call centers.
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:Tell me what that was like and
then how you ended up in HR.
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:Yeah.
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:So I worked for all American
companies since I'm 18.
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:Got my first job at 18 working
for MetroPCS customer service.
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:It sucked, just being honest.
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:Um, then I moved to AT&T tech support,
um, car rentals with Avis and Budget,
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:and then I did a little bit of
sales, um, sale call center work.
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:Then I did, um, collections for
a Long Beach company, um, more in
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:the finance side of the industry,
but still kind of call center.
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:After that, I started as a recruiter for a
call center, of course, for about a year.
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:After that, I was promoted
to HR, same company.
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:Um, and couple months later, I
landed a, a remote job, still
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:HR, but for a US company.
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:Um, and I learned a lot in that job.
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:I worked there for almost four years.
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:Um, and part of that is that, you
know, I started as an MSP, which
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:is a managed service provider.
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:Then I transitioned to a billing analyst
position, of course, which, um, we
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:can talk a little bit more about that.
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:Um, the course really helped me out
because I really sucked at Excel.
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:And that's, like, my main
expertise right now Very cool.
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:So you went from, yeah, I don't
think anyone would necessarily say
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:that call centers are super fun.
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:So you went from this, this sucky
job to you, you landed this billing
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:analyst role, which is your first
step into the data analyst world.
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:Um, you were there for a little bit,
and then most recently, as of recording,
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:you just started this new job, which
is this, this project coordinator role
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:with this generative AI operations team,
um, that, you know, you just started
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:about, uh, which is really exciting.
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:So like you're in the data and AI space,
you know, out of nowhere overnight.
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:It really wasn't that, that
way, and we'll talk about that.
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:It took a lot of effort on, on your
end, and it took about, you know, nine
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:months-ish to a year of actually like
putting in the work to, to get there.
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:Uh, we should also mention that
you're, you live in Baja, California
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:in Mexico, and you've been working,
uh, these, these two data jobs are with
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:American companies, with US companies.
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:So, uh, that's, that's really impressive.
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:I guess at like what point did you
decide that you were interested
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:in data and AI and analytics?
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:Because you, you really
had this HR career.
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:You were a recruiter.
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:Uh, at what point were you like,
"Oh, I wanna be a data analyst"?
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:Because at work, I was the
go-to person for the system, for
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:our vendor management system.
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:Uh, we did a lot of reports.
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:Uh, we have something called xAG,
which is built in with Power BI.
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:That was like my first interactions
b- beyond, you know, downloading a
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:report and deleting columns, applying
filters and whatnot in Excel.
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:Um, that helped me out because I
automated the process by just using
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:the system as data that I cre- I
created, but like scheduled reports
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:with sp- specific filters that will
be sent, um, automatically via email
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:to managers or the client, you know.
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:Let's say first of every month you will
have a negative turnover r- report with
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:specific filters, which will be the
first day of the previous month, and the
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:last day of the previous month will be
sent on the first day of every month so
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:that it's a monthly report of turnover.
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:So I was playing with the system.
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:I was like, "Huh, this is interesting,
you know, how we can project what's
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:going on, the patterns, what it means.
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:What can we do about it?"
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:Because at ease, you know, at
first glance, you don't really know
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:what's going on until you download
a report and start scratching.
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:Hmm.
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:Very cool.
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:I think a lot of people can
probably relate to that.
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:They're like, they're in their,
their career, they're doing this job,
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:and they're like the more organized
person, the more analytical person,
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:the more systems person doing the work.
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:And it's like, "Oh, I actually really
like this, and I'm kind of good at it."
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:So that led you to, to data analytics.
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:You're like, "I wanna pursue,
you know, becoming a data
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:analyst, um, in, in my career."
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:And eventually, you, you found me.
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:Um, was it via YouTube, or was
it via the podcast or LinkedIn?
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:Do you remember even?
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:It was YouTube at first.
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:So it was because I wanted to enroll.
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:Why I technically enrolled on the
course were Google data analytics.
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:Um, I started it, like, af-
after, like, an hour I was
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:like, "What the heck is this?
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:This is just multiple choice questions."
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:You know?
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:I wasn't learning, I'm
sorry for my French, shit.
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:I wasn't learning anything, you know?
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:Um, and I was like, "What
else can, can I see?"
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:You know, I was like, "Wait."
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:So I, I Googled is a Google, um, course,
like, worth it, and then you popped up.
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:Okay.
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:Yeah, I definitely have done,
uh, an episode or two about the
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:Google data analytics certificate.
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:Uh, which I basically say the same thing.
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:I say, "If you want a really
high level overview of
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:analytics with people asking…"
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:Not even people, just a computer asking
you multiple choice questions that
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:don't actually get you much hands-on
experience, then sure, it's for you.
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:I think in that episode I actually
count how many different sequel
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:queries you write, and it's, like,
20 different sequel queries that
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:you write in a six-month period.
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:And it's like Guys, come on.
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:We can do faster.
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:We can do more than 20
SQL queries in six months.
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:We can do, you know, 40
SQL queries in six weeks.
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:Like, we can definitely, you
know, quadruple the pace at least.
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:So, uh, that's one of my arguments,
you know, for the accelerator.
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:Okay, so in that video I'm like, "Okay,
the ac- you know, the Google Data
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:Analytics Certificate is fine, but it's
not really gonna help you land a data job.
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:If you want help to land a data
job, you should do the SPN method.
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:You know, learn the skills, build
projects, uh, grow your network.
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:If you want to do that with mentors and
with friends, you know, come and join the
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:Data Analytics Accelerator, um, and do
it with me, and I'll teach you everything
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:I know and help you land a data job."
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:So you, you hear that, you know, that
whole pitch, and, uh, tell me, I guess,
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:like what was your thoughts on it?
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:Uh, and then I guess you can tell
the story of, of how you made sure
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:that it wasn't necessarily a, a scam.
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:Um, it's pretty funny.
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:Um, so it was like some
type of demo, right?
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:You were…
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:It was a video, and there was like a chat-
a chatbot, what I thought was a chatbot.
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:Um, "If al- if you have any
questions, just let us know."
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:And I was chatting, and then I
watched the entire video, and I
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:was asking a lot of questions.
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:And then you were saying it
was you, you know, the one that
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:was answering m- my messages.
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:So I was like, "Prove it," you know?
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:Like, "Send me a picture so
I can know that it's you."
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:And you send me a video of you,
like, getting ready and having a
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:burrito heated in, in the microwave.
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:I wa- I was like, "Okay, so
this guy is eating a, a burrito.
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:That's fine."
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:And I swiped my credit card,
and was a great investment.
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:Wait.
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:Okay, yeah.
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:Now I remember what you're talking about.
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:Yeah, so you joined.
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:I do, like, a, a free training.
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:We'll have a link in the show notes
down below where, uh, like you join,
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:and I basically give you this one-hour
training of how to become a data analyst.
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:And in there, a chat widget
that, that goes to my Slack.
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:And so if I'm available, I
respond via Slack, right?
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:If I, if I'm not
available, I don't respond.
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:Okay, and so you're like, "Is
this AI or is this Avery?"
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:And it ac- Yeah.
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:And that's how I proved.
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:Okay.
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:Good I was eating a burrito that day.
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:I've gotten more into Asian bowls
recently in the microwave, but.
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:Same.
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:Okay, so then you join the accelerator,
so you're in, you're in our boot camp,
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:and I guess what, what did you feel
like you got out of the boot camp?
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:I know that you, you mentioned, like,
you feel like Excel, your Excel skills
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:were, were still a little bit weak.
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:So in module two, right away, we build a
project on some sales data using Excel.
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:So did you find that whole
module pretty helpful?
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:Yeah, it was pretty helpful, but I
think the most helpful was actually
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:having someone, like, to ask a
question, to get good mentorship.
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:Like, Trevor was amazing.
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:Um, Isaac was amazing.
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:You were amazing, too.
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:Um, and I think that's a lot of value,
because I can just send a WhatsApp
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:message and get an answer, right?
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:Like, "Hey, I'm stuck here," or,
"Hey, I'm applying to this job."
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:What should I do?
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:Get prepared for the interview, like
practical interviews, stuff like that.
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:So you f- Um- You found the mentoring
to be, to be the most helpful.
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:Yes.
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:I'm not self-taught, really.
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:Um, I'm not really self-taught.
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:I need to be held accountable by somebody.
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:Maybe there's people that
they're self-taught and they
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:watch hundreds of YouTube videos
and they be- become experts.
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:I tried, I failed.
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:Um, but just, like, actually getting
that motivation to do something, not
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:just say that you want to do something.
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:Like, do it and then say
whatever, but try it at least.
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:Mm.
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:I, I love the humility that, that you
have to say, "I'm not self-taught."
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:I don't think I'm
self-taught- No … either.
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:I think I've had an episode
where I say, "I think self-taught
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:is a fallacy," and it's…
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:People wear it as a, a badge of honor,
and it's like, why is that cool?
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:Like, oh, so you spent a lot of
time learning something you could
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:have learned faster on your own?
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:Like, good for you.
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:Like, there's no award in life that
actually, like, that makes you…
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:Like, it makes being self-taught worth it.
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:And also, I don't think there's anything
really truly self-taught, 'cause it's like
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:you learn from somewhere, like, whether it
was a, a, a boot camp- Somewhere, someone
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:yeah, a university.
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:It's not like you just sat down and you
were like, "God of data, please teach
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:me how to make tableau charts," and
then poof, you, like, figured it out,
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:and I guess even then that was God.
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:So I don't know.
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:I, I, I tried it and I failed, so I know.
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:I, I love that.
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:Um, I'm curious, so in the
Accelerator, uh, we have a couple
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:different ways to, to get help.
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:We have an AI bot in the program-
Mm … that's trained on our lessons.
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:We have our community forum
where you can ask questions.
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:We have comments on all of our
technical lessons where you can,
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:where you can ask questions.
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:We have the live office hours.
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:We have email support.
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:Um, which one of those
did you take advantage of?
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:Uh, all of them, any of them?
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:Which one did you like the most?
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:All of them.
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:Like, all of them, but the best
was for sure the weekly meetings.
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:Um, I forgot the name of the- Yeah, just
office hours … the weekly office hours.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:So that was the best, and just
also chatting, like, one-on-one
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:with Trevor helped me out a lot.
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:Um, also, um, sharing
questions, posting my overall…
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:Because just so you know, if you look
at my social media, I don't post shit.
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:I just share memes.
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:That's all I do.
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:Um, so it was really hard for me to,
like, start- Doing stuff like interacting
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:with other people on LinkedIn, that was
like the hardest for me beyond learning
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:how to code or to use Excel, honestly.
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:Okay, very cool.
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:That's, that's awesome to hear.
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:Yeah, I, um…
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:You, you were pretty-- I mean, you,
you were pretty decent at, at posting
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:inside the community and asking us
questions and sharing with, with everyone.
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:One, one of the things, one of the
posts I, I pulled up from you, um,
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:was when we first rolled out our AI
support tool, um, inside of the program.
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:Uh, that helps…
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:One of the things it helps you do
is, um, rewrite your resume bullets.
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:So y- the title of the post was "Use
the Data Fairy Tool If You Haven't,
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:uh, Yet," and you mentioned that
you were applying to a lot of jobs
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:but not getting a ton of responses.
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:Uh, and then you used Data Fairy to
highlight your previous experience and how
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:that adds value to a data analyst role.
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:Um, "Surprisingly, I started
receiving emails from recruiters
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:wanting to schedule interviews.
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:This week I have six interviews lined up.
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:I'm currently on module five, and
even if none of these interviews
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:lead to an offer, I'm in a much
better place than I started."
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:So, um, that's super good,
good to hear that, that, that
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:tool was useful, uh, for you.
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:I'm curious, so you're, you're applying
to roles, you have this HR experience,
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:you know, you're, you're trying to
revamp your resume using some of the
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:AI tools that, that we have here.
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:Tell me about, a little bit more about
the journey that eventually, you know,
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:led you from this HR role to landing
a billing analyst role internally
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:inside of your company, which is one
of the things we talk about in module
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:one, where like one of the best things
you can do is transfer internally.
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:Talk through like how that
process was and how you actually
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:landed that, your first data job.
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:Yeah.
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:So I was doing a lot of reporting, like
maybe like 12 reports every week, right?
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:Um, manual reports and
scheduled reports and whatnot.
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:Um, then I had my yearly review
with the director of operations
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:for Global Business Services.
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:Um, and I was just talking to him,
"Hey, what, what's the next step?
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:I've been here for three years now.
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:How can I grow?"
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:Right?
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:And I've been asking that question
for like over a year and a half.
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:And he was saying, "Oh, it's
because there's not a lot of,
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:or any, um, open opportunities.
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:Like right now we're looking for a
billing analyst that can know how to use
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:Excel and this, this, this and that."
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:I was like, "But I know how to do that."
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:And he was like, "Oh, really?
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:How did you learn that?"
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:And I was like, "Well, I did a, like a
bootcamp and learned, I learned a lot.
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:I learned about Python, about
R, SQL, Tableau, advanced Excel
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:skills, to if I'm, if I'm honest."
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:Um, and he was like, "Oh, really?
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:I didn't know about that."
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:And the reason why is because
they don't update the resumes.
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:Like the resume that I applied for on
that job back in:
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:use that for internal purposes, but
that's not who I am anymore, right?
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:Um, and then I got a, an interview.
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:They're corporate, by the way.
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:Um, then I got another one, and then
I got the job and they were asking me,
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:"How do you see yourself in five years?"
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:And I s- said, "As a solutions architect."
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:And they were just saying, "Oh,
I just want to confirm that I'm
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:investing in the right person."
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:Right?
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:But that really helped me out.
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:I did a lot more of Excel
work, lots more of audits.
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:Um, they actually have daily SQL
integrations with like Workday, um,
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:on a daily basis, and you will see
errors and you will then fix them.
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:Okay.
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:Awesome.
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:So at that role, um, you were using
Excel, uh, quite a bit, and I also saw
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:some Power BI on your resume as well.
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:Was that more for like the
reporting side of things?
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:Yeah.
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:Um, it's just so, so much data,
like for different clients.
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:Like I will audit six different
accounts, six different
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:clients, different industries.
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:Like all these different
exceptions- Pay policies, states,
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:exemptions, markups, you name it.
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:I don't wanna bore you with this.
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:Um, but if you don't use something that
will make it easier for everyone to
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:understand, then what's the point, right?
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:You can have a really nice dashboard,
but if nobody understands what
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:you're trying to say, then what's
the point of the dashboard?
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:Yeah, 100%.
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:You know?
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:You mentioned a lot in the community,
um, and from me and you just talking
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:recently that, you know, sometimes you
were struggling to land interviews and
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:sometimes you had a lot of interviews.
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:Um, what do you feel like the biggest
difference, and maybe also from
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:your recruiting experience as well,
like actually looking at resumes and
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:applications and stuff like that,
what do you feel like was the biggest
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:experience going from not getting
interviews to getting interviews?
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:Like, what changed?
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:What were you doing differently?
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:The format.
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:The Data Fairy and the template that
you shared with us, um, it's really
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:cool because it highlights what you
have accomplished, your achievements,
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:not just what, what you did, right?
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:And here in Mexico, many other
countries do it as well, we have our
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:picture, we have images, we say Excel.
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:So it was a bit weird overall because
I was applying to jobs and I was
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:just getting rejected over and over.
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:I was, like, handling, like, 12
rejections a day for, like, a month,
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:and then I change it and it got better.
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:Wow.
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:So really it was just, like, resume
formatting, switching to one of the,
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:the resume templates that we give you,
and then what's the resume content,
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:like the bullet points essentially,
like making sure that the bullet
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:points on your resume are tying
closer to, like, data analyst roles.
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:Yeah.
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:For example, um, the whole thing
that I talked to you about, about
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:scheduled reports, about, um, monthly
business reviews, client-facing,
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:like what I did with that, how I
reduced errors by 45, 50% on the
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:billing side and also like data-wise.
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:Like if somebody is working remotely but
they're based in, let's say, California,
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:but the job is in Oregon, then the
pay policy should be different, right?
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:Um, instead of weekly 40,
it should be daily eight.
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:So you know, if it goes like that
for about six months it will be
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:like a big impact for the company.
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:Funny, it's funny that you say that
because, um, you know, one of the
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:things if I go to your LinkedIn and
I scroll all the way down, well the
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:first job I see is, is QA analyst.
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:And I don't know if that's actually what
your exact title was back then, um, but
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:we had an interview that we did with Jen
Hawkins who landed a job at Apple, and
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:everyone went to her LinkedIn page and
looked at her experience and she's like…
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:And they were like, "You didn't
help her become a data analyst.
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:She's already been a
data analyst for years."
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:And I'm like, "You guys,
that's like the exact point.
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:Like that's the whole reason like the
accelerator worked is we did such a good
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:job at disguising her past experience to
look like they were data analyst roles
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:and that's why she was able to land
data analyst interviews and actually
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:land her true first data analyst role."
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:So it's like if you could actually
change your bullet points and even your
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:titles to sound more data analysty,
that's how you land more data analyst
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:interviews and that's how you actually
get your first real data analyst job.
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:And, and if someone looks at their, your
resume or your LinkedIn and they're like,
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:"This person's been a data analyst for
years," that's how you know we did a
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:good job of, of disguising the resume.
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:So s- that makes a lot of sense.
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:Um, I'm curious though because like there
were some times where you weren't, you
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:know, like you said, you were applying,
you got like 12 rejections a day.
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:How'd you stay positive
during all of that?
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:I didn't stay positive.
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:That's the thing.
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:Um, it got me down.
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:At w- at what point, I didn't apply
to any jobs for about a month.
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:I was like, "What's the point
of applying if I'm gonna be
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:rejected either way," right?
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:Um, I used that time to,
like, improve my skills.
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:Um, and one thing that I can tell
you that helped me out the most
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:from DAA was learning the structure
of making a good project overall.
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:Like, yes, we make projects in Excel, in
Tableau, and different tools, SQL too,
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:but if we add our own spice to it, you
know, our own signature if you wanna call
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:it, like something that you, you like.
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:I like, I like soccer.
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:We call it football here, but I'm,
I'm just call, gonna call it soccer.
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:If you do something related to soccer
or something to turn over something
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:that you- you're actually passionate
about, about like, "Hey, why were so
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:many layoffs between 2024 and 2025?
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:What was the main change?
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:What happened?"
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:You know, between '23 and '24 and '25.
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:And, you know, looking at those pa-
uh, at those patterns, I don't have,
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:like, a live project portfolio for
those specific projects, but I will
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:share those projects according to
the job that I was applying for.
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:I was like, "Okay, if I'm
applying to HR, I'm just gonna
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:have HR and payroll projects.
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:If I'm applying to more data, I'm
just gonna add, you know, data
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:projects about stuff that I'm actually
knowledgeable about," like Pokemon
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:cards or, you know, soccer, sports,
stuff that I actually like, and I
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:kinda made it like a hobby of mine.
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:Um, you're mixing a hobby that
you're passionate about with
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:what you're learning, so that way
it's, like, the best mix to learn.
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:Yeah, I mean, that was,
that was well said.
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:That's like in- inside of the accelerator
we have like a mini course called,
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:like, Data Project and Portfolio
Bible, and that's, like, better than
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:the way I say it in the lesson in
there where it's like, "Yes, we do all
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:these projects inside the accelerator.
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:You know, you should use those.
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:You sh- those are good projects, but
the best projects are the ones that
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:you're going to create on your own.
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:And hopefully after we've walked you
through the steps of how to do a project,
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:how to do the write-up, how to publish
it and all those things, you'll be able
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:to do them on your own a lot easier."
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:And specifically you do that at
the end with your capstone project,
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:and those are the projects I think
that really make you stand out.
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:Um, and like you said, they're the ones
that are more fun, 'cause it's like I'm
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:not part- like, one of the projects we do
i- in the accelerator program is, like,
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:World Bank data, and it's like I'm not
really passionate about World Bank data.
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:And I'm glad that I have that on
my, my portfolio, but it's like I'm
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:much more interested in, like you
said, Pokemon cards or sports or
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:something, you know, more up my alley.
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:And I think recruiters can really
see that passion, that passion as, as
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:well when you're actually applying.
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:Okay.
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:Now tell me, like, how you actually landed
this role that you, you just started the
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:other day, like with this AI data company.
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:Tell me, like, how did you actually…
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:Did you find them?
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:Did they find you?
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:What was the interview process like?
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:Um, how did that go?
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:It's gonna be very funny,
so if I laugh, I'm sorry.
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:Um, the role that I applied for was
nothing to do with this job title Okay.
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:It was for a payroll analyst job title.
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:Okay.
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:Different job description,
different everything.
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:Uh-huh.
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:So here's the, the, the fun part.
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:I did get the interview.
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:You know, I, I found the job.
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:I applied.
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:I used the whole last posted
24 hours- Yep … remote and
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:according to what I'm looking for.
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:I applied to the job.
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:Within two weeks, I got a,
a call from the recruiter.
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:She was- she's the best recruiter
I've ever had an interview with.
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:Like, she was, like, really human
about the whole process, and I'm,
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:I'm gonna tell you why in a bit.
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:So it was for a payroll analyst
position, and I was doing the
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:interview with the recruiter.
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:She said, "Oh, you have
a great background.
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:I love your, your energy," you know.
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:And then I got an interview with, um,
another manager, and then she really
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:liked my energy, my background experience.
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:She was making me a couple questions.
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:And then long story short,
I didn't get that role.
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:They said the, the role moved to India.
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:But she said, and I quote,
"I'm trying each and every way
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:to get you to work with us."
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:That's what the recruiter said,
and I was really grateful for that.
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:Like, there were days of…
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:Like, two days I didn't know anything.
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:I was, like, sending her an
email, and she was, like, really
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:responsive with my emails.
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:No more than a day to,
to reply back, you know.
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:Um, super professional as well.
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:Then I got an interview with someone
from the AI and robotics team, and
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:they said that I was gonna take
over the payroll for their team, but
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:that's, that's what I was assuming.
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:And then I got an interview with,
I didn't know, he was a director of
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:operations and AI for that company.
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:But I was talking to him like,
"Hey, dude, how's it going?"
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:You know, like if he was
a long friend of mine.
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:Then I was having different questions
asked to me like, "Oh, how long
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:have you been working remote for?
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:Are you based in Mexico?
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:What part of Mexico?
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:What do you do outside of work?"
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:There were really no technical
questions in that interview.
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:They were just asking who I am, what
I like to do outside of work, and, you
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:know, how long I've been working for,
what's my background, stuff like that, but
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:never, like, actual technical questions.
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:But he even said, like, "Oh, I already
done my, my research, and I think
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:we're gonna move forward with you."
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:Fast-forward, I didn't hear anything
for about two weeks, three weeks.
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:I was like, "Okay, that's it," you know.
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:"I'm done for."
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:Um, then the recruiter calls me and say,
"Hey, they want to offer you the job."
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:I'm like, "Okay, payroll analyst."
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:And then I see the offer,
which I share with you.
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:I was like, I was like, "Maybe
this is a mistake, you know.
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:Hey, are you sure?
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:Like, maybe it's, you know, something
different for somebody else.
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:Maybe you made a mistake."
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:But then she was like, "No, he's
a- she's actually offering you
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:that position with this team."
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:I was like, "Oh."
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:I was, like, speechless during that call.
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:And I was like, "Okay, just give me a
few," and then I just cried, you know.
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:I was like, "What the heck?"
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:Yeah.
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:That's why it was…
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:It's, it's funny and emotional at
the same time be- because, you know,
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:I wasn't expecting that at all.
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:Yeah.
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:That's, that's very interesting.
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:There's so many different things I
like that you did in that process
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:that I think served you well.
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:One was you were looking for roles
that weren't just data analyst, right?
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:'Cause those get really swamped, but like
payroll analyst, and benefits analyst,
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:you know, HR analysts, billing analysts.
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:Those are different roles that
you were looking for, and I think
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:that, that served you really well.
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:And then two is you didn't let the
rejection get you down 'cause they,
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:like, did say no to you, right?
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:Like, they, they moved
the role somewhere else.
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:Um, but, like, that relationship-
Yeah … you were able to, to garner
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:and stay positive and kinda nurture, you
know, obviously turned to this, this new
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:role, um, this new AI data role, which
I think is, is really exciting for you.
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:So, I mean, good on you for, for
keeping the relationship alive, staying
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:positive through that process, and
looking for, you know, fresh jobs
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:that aren't just data analyst jobs.
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:So that, that makes a lot of sense.
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:You just started this job, so w- I'm not
gonna ask you, like, what you do on a
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:day-to-day basis or what tools you use
'cause you will, you will figure that
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:out as you go, uh, through, through
this job down through the future.
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:You know, one of the things that
you posted in the community when you
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:landed this job, kind of announcing
this, like, two to three weeks
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:ago, um, you know, one of the…
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:You gave some advice to the
rest of our, our students.
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:One of the things you said is
build something you were generally
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:curious about, and I think we
talked about that, um, here.
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:Yeah.
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:Another thing that you, you talked
about was stay consistent on
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:LinkedIn even when engagement is low.
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:Can you talk through, like, why
you feel like it's important to,
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:to post on LinkedIn and, and to
kinda get yourself out that way?
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:I'ma keep it short.
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:That's what re- recruiters see when
you apply for a job on LinkedIn.
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:Just honestly, like, if, if
you're active, if you're posting.
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:It's kinda like a…
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:I wanna call LinkedIn, like, a
mini resume/Facebook page because
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:you, you could post memes, you can
post something about work, but just
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:staying active really means a lot.
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:And you, you never know, maybe your…
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:you, you go viral on the post, right?
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:And you get noticed by that
from re- different recruiters.
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:And I was getting reached out
by recruiters, but they were not
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:good roles, just being honest.
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:But none of my posts went viral at all.
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:I think the max that I got
was, like, nine reactions, 12.
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:But I, I did notice a big difference in
my connections and people messaging me.
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:Even though it looks like it's like
a ghost town on my LinkedIn page, it
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:did make a difference, and I'm really
grateful that I was pushing for at least
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:two months straight, posting almost
every day, like Monday through Friday.
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:It helped me out, boost
my visibility on LinkedIn.
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:Yeah Very cool.
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:I like that you said that.
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:That's what we're curious to see.
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:It doesn't matter if it only, you
know, if you get 12 likes and it
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:gets, you know, 800 impressions.
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:You only need one
impression to get the job.
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:Um, and you're- Yep … just fishing for
the, the right, the right impression.
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:What other advice, you know, would
you give people who are maybe in
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:a similar shoe, uh, uh, to you?
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:Like maybe, maybe specifically there's
a lot of people who listen and they
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:talk about, you know, "I wanna work.
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:You know, I live not in the US," maybe
it's Mexico, maybe it's whatever country.
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:"I wanna work for a US company."
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:I'd be curious to know like what advice
you'd give, 'cause obviously you've
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:done that pretty well in your career.
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:Yeah.
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:So for my 11 years of experience
working with US companies, I can
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:say you need to say yes to jobs that
you're not gonna love them, right?
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:At first glance, it's gonna
just give you one step closer
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:to what you're looking for.
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:But you need to say yes to awkward
positions that you're not super
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:attracted to because that's
how you gain experience, right?
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:So just stay consistent
and adapt to the culture.
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:You're gonna talk with people from
different countries, not just the US.
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:Um, in my previous job I talked
with people from the US, from India,
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:from Canada, from, from the UK.
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:You name it.
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:The different cultures, different
ways of working, you have to adapt.
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:So just be open-minded when it comes to
applying to jobs for y- US based clients.
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:And even though if you get a no,
you're closer to, to the yes.
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:You already have the, the no already.
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:So it's like a more of a sales mindset
if you wanna call it like that.
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:You already have the no.
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:You just keep, um, you know, trying.
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:Like doing something is better
than doing nothing always.
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:100%.
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:I, I think you bring up a good
point, that it's really hard…
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:If you're trying to pivot two things at
once, you're trying to pivot the country
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:you work for and the role that you do,
if you're trying to do both those things
621
:at once, that's probably too much.
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:It's probably, like, too
big of a home run swing.
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:You probably need to try to do something.
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:Choose one first.
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:Like, become a data analyst in
your home country, and then try
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:working for an American company.
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:Or like you said, and like you did
in your career, work whatever career
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:you have right now for a American
company, and then pivot to data from
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:within that company, like you did.
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:Like, you did that internal pivot
to your first billing analyst role.
631
:Um, I think that makes a lot of sense.
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:What other advice would you
give to people who are maybe
633
:in a similar shoes, uh, to you?
634
:Maybe they're trying to be- become
self-taught data analysts right now.
635
:Maybe they're struggling
to get any, um, interviews.
636
:What advice would you give them?
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:You need to find a good structure.
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:If you're just applying because
you want to apply, you're n-
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:really not gonna get good results,
at least not on the long term.
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:Um, if you start with a good structure
from scratch, like, on the midterm,
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:long term, depending on how hard
you work, you will eventually get
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:where you're trying to, to go.
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:For example, I…
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:It took me, like, nine to 12 months.
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:I had, like, a three-month
break, um, because I was going
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:through some personal stuff.
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:But when I started working again,
like, every single month I was showing
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:up and working hard for it and, like,
embracing, like, awkward situations
649
:where I had to post and comment on
LinkedIn with people that I don't know.
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:That's when I got a positive impact.
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:It was not, like, right away.
652
:Took two, three months to see a positive
impact, but it really helped out.
653
:You know, always, if you do something,
if you show up, you will eventually
654
:get where you're trying to, to, to go.
655
:But again, you can stop and not do
anything and keep yelling at, at the
656
:screen and complaining, but you don't get
anything by, by complaining, you know?
657
:Structure's re- really key.
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:I think it's hard to accomplish
any big goal without structure.
659
:I'm supposedly training for my
third half Ironman, uh, this fall,
660
:and I have no- How's that going?
661
:Oh, I have no structure,
so it's not going well.
662
:I, like, don't…
663
:I lack a nutrition structure.
664
:I don't have a workout structure.
665
:I just kinda do it by the seat
of my pants, and, uh, I think
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:it's, I think it's showing.
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:I don't think I'm making any true
progress, and it's frustrating.
668
:So just a plug, if you want that
structure, come, come follow the ESPN
669
:method, uh, with the accelerator.
670
:I'm curious, George, what advice you'd
give to people who, you know, are maybe
671
:hearing about the accelerator for the
first time, or maybe have been sitting on
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:the fence, like, "Should I actually join
Avery's, you know, boot camp or not?"
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:What advice would you give them?
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:Hear him out the same way that I did.
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:I don't know if you still do it or not.
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:Like, it was, like, a, a demo
or a live video, and actually
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:breaking down everything.
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:Just at least listen to what he has
to say, and if you're interested,
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:you should definitely give it
a try because it helped me out.
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:Um, I tried different
courses, like the Google one.
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:It didn't help me out.
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:Um, and it feels, like, pretty cold, like
you're not actually talking with a person.
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:It's really, like, one-on-one with
Avery and Trevor and Isaac and the team.
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:That's what helped me out
the most, at least for me.
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:And just, you know, give it a try.
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:You n- you never know what's gonna happen
because, again, I'm not a self-taught.
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:I tried watching, like, hundreds
of YouTube videos, but I was, like,
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:dropping it on the spot always.
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:Well, I don't think you're
alone in, in that case, George.
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:I don't, I don't think
you're, uh, alone at all.
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:Yeah, I echo what George says.
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:You know, try me.
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:Send me an email and ask me to
say, "Are you actually AI or not?"
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:And see what food I'm microwaving,
uh, in the video I send
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:back to you in my response.
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:I'm, I'm happy to send more
burrito microwave videos out
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:there too to whoever wants one.
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:Go for it.
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:Go for it.
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:Um, George, this has been totally awesome.
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:Thank you so much for sharing your story.
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:We'll have your LinkedIn down
below in the description.
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:Is it okay if people reach out to
you with any questions they may have?
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:No worries.
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:Okay, awesome.
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:You guys can find George's LinkedIn
in the description down below.
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:Maybe follow him on LinkedIn.
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:Maybe give him a, a like on some
of his posts so he goes from
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:12 to 13, uh, re- reactions.
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:Yeah.
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:Uh, George, it was truly a pleasure.
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:Thank you so much for sharing your story.
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:Awesome.
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:Thank you.
